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  • JHWH1OsannaUniusRei 
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    38 minuti fa
    NO! I'm not talking, to myself! I am forced to speak, with the Satanists: institutional (the secret services of French, Germans, England Israel and the U.S.: ie. aliens Abductions the project), because these bastards, cowards and traitors of all governments, around the world? they are worse than Satanists! NO! io non parlo a me stesso! io sono costretto a parlare, con i satanisti: istituzionali(i servizi segreti di Francesi Germani, Inghilterra Israele e USA: cioè. il progetto aliens Abductions), perché, questi bastardi, codardi e traditori dei Governi, di tutto il mondo? loro sono peggio dei satanisti!
  • JHWH1OsannaUniusRei 
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    47 minuti fa
    ON MY: politicalUniusREI" CHANNEL?] Sonderbehandlung88 posted a comment 21 hours ago how is the weather? hey lorenzo.. - ANSWER - 666 IMF, HAS ERASED HIS CHANNEL
  • Garry Cooper 
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    48 minuti fa
    UniusRei He likes talking to himself.
  • JHWH1OsannaUniusRei 
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    53 minuti fa
    King Saudi Arbia - the problem of electoral fraud in Egypt? is not the real problem! Sharia law is incompatible with the survival of the human race! Certainly, we have many conflicts in the world, but, they can be all solved politically. but Sharia is worse than Nazism, is something that can not be exceeded! yours alone, will be the responsibility for World War III! you can not want the destruction of Islam. on all the World, because, of course, I will bring all the nations of the world against you, only! I'll give you, only 7 hours, for to give me, an answer!
  • JHWH1OsannaUniusRei 
    JHWH1OsannaUniusRei ha pubblicato un commento 
    55 minuti fa
    king Saudi Arbia -- il problema dei brogli elettorali in Egitto? non è il vero problema! la sharia è incompatibile, con la sopravvivenza del genere umano! certo, noi abbiamo molti conflitti nel mondo, ma, sono tutti risolvibili, politicamente. ma, la sharia è peggio del nazismo, è qualcosa che non può essere superata! tua soltanto, sarà la responsabilità: per la III guerra mondiale! tu non puoi volere l'annientamento dell'Islam. in tutto il modo, perché, ovviamente, io porterò tutte le nazioni del mondo contro di te: soltanto! io ti do 7 ore, per darmi una risposta!
  • Garry Cooper 
    Garry Cooper ha pubblicato un commento 
    1 ora fa
    UniusRei Waste of space.
  • JHWH1OsannaUniusRei 
    JHWH1OsannaUniusRei ha pubblicato un commento 
    2 ore fa
    "ognuno per se, Dio per tutti", poi, è 666 Rothschild IMF, a ridere, soltanto! oppure, è il tempo: del Regno di Unius REI?
  • JHWH1OsannaUniusRei 
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    2 ore fa
    1. it is only a cynical imperialism Arabia, to encircle Israel, with, salafis Al Quaeda, it was inevitable: III WW, then, 2. it took place, a mutual genocide, about, on ethnic and religious, because, there is no, in Salafis, an, culture of tolerance, that, was the culture, that they destroyed in Syria: multi-ethnic and multi-religious! for this, the guilt, is only, of IMF FED, who has pushed, the massacre Syria, with, the introduction: 20,000 of extremists for do sharia horror, he has the responsibility, moral and political, of every massacre and every failure of a realistic dialogue with the institutions, that Assad, instead have shown willingness of do.
  • JHWH1OsannaUniusRei 
    JHWH1OsannaUniusRei ha pubblicato un commento 
    2 ore fa
    3. my political vision is simple: I am always on the side, of the weakest, and most defenseless, namely, the Christian martyrs innocent, that's why, the false democracies Masonic and Jewish lobbying, are Satanists of seigniorage banking: for IMF, only. But, I'm always on the side of all peoples. I can not justify, for the sake of political expediency, no any violence, against, innocent people! 4. what, happen in Syria,
  • JHWH1OsannaUniusRei 
    JHWH1OsannaUniusRei ha pubblicato un commento 
    2 ore fa
    666 said: "rewind"! no "rewind", now ENOUGH! --- FED ECB(ie,European American and Italian) international institutional Satanism: IMF NWO 322: satan synagogue, for the destruction of Israel compete against: of me: for the possession of this page, then: we are a fight in supernatural IMF, against, my (divine) forces! in the field: of world, all those who: have made ​​themselves my enemies? they chose to be with Satanists ... if, governments are not from me? the slaughter: for: a World War, can not be avoided. 1. This is obvious to everyone, who is not with me, is with Satanists: 666 IMF NWO! 2. also because no one dares, all over the world, challenge me, on the floor: moral and political, on this page, for to have said to himself: to be him, a criminal.
  • JHWH1OsannaUniusRei 
    JHWH1OsannaUniusRei ha pubblicato un commento 
    2 ore fa
    4. quello che, si è voluto, che, avvenisse in Siria, è soltanto, un cinico imperialismo saudita, era inevitabile allora, che si realizzasse, un reciproco genocidio, su base etnica e religiosa, perché, non esiste nei salafiti, la cultura della tolleranza, quella cultura, che loro hanno distrutto in Siria: plurietnica e multireligiosa! per questo, la colpa di colui, che, ha spinto al massacro la Siria, con l'introduzione: di 20.000 estremisti? ha la responsabilità, morale e politica di ogni massacro: e di ogni fallimento, di un realistico dialogo, con le istituzioni che, invece hanno dimostrato disponibilità
  • JHWH1OsannaUniusRei 
    JHWH1OsannaUniusRei ha pubblicato un commento 
    2 ore fa
    3. la mia visione politica è semplice: io sono sempre dalla parte, dei più deboli ed indifesi, cioè, i martiri cristiani innocenti, ecco perché, io sono sempre dalla parte dei popoli tutti. io non posso giustificare per fini di opportunismo politico, nessuna violenza contro popolazioni innocenti!
  • JHWH1OsannaUniusRei 
    JHWH1OsannaUniusRei ha pubblicato un commento 
    2 ore fa
    2. anche perché, nessuno osa, in tutto il mondo, sfidere me, sul piano morale e sul piano politico, su questa pagina: per avere dichiarato da se stesso: di essere un criminale
  • JHWH1OsannaUniusRei 
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    2 ore fa
    1. questo è evidente a tutti, chi non è con me, è con i satanisti 666 FMI NWO!
  • JHWH1OsannaUniusRei 
    JHWH1OsannaUniusRei ha pubblicato un commento 
    2 ore fa
    no: "rewind", ora BASTA! --- 666(americani europei ed italiani) satanisti istituzionali internazionali: del FMI NWO 666, per la distruzione di Israele: competono contro: di me: per il possesso di questa pagina: quindi: noi siamo le forze soprannturali in campo: tutti quelli che hanno fatto di se stessi i miei nemici? loro hanno deciso di essere, con i satanisti... se i Goveni non verrann da me? ma mattanza: di una guerra mondiale, non potrà essere evitata
  • steelbone132 
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    2 ore fa
    rewind
  • JHWH1OsannaUniusRei 
    JHWH1OsannaUniusRei ha pubblicato un commento 
    3 ore fa
    [saudi arabia imperialism : Sharia is nazi] Prime Minister Wael al-Halqi on Sunday stressed that the construction process is going forwards to build the renewable Syria along with confronting the enemies of the homeland who want to undermine its potentials and capabilities. Marking the Tree Day at al-Sabboura area in Damascus Countryside, Premier al-Halqi pointed out that the government's top priority is paying big attention to the agricultural sector and ensuring the requirements of the agricultural production through offering soft loans to the farmers, caring for the fruitful and forest trees .
  • JHWH1OsannaUniusRei 
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    3 ore fa
    [saudi arabia imperialism : Sharia is nazi] Al-Halqi said that "we planted the tree of cordiality, life, giving and national reconciliation", calling on all the Syrian citizens to plant the tree of cordiality and enhance the spirit of unity and national reconciliation.
  • JHWH1OsannaUniusRei 
    JHWH1OsannaUniusRei ha pubblicato un commento 
    3 ore fa
    genocide of minorities [ is only Saudi Arabia imperialism, in Syria ] The Armed Forces foiled the terrorists' attempt to detonate a 50-kilo explosive device inside al-Nahda Hospital in Daraya city in Damascus Countryside. An official source told SANA reporter that a military unit discovered a field hospital that was made by the armed terrorist groups at the private school of al-Ebaa al-Arabi, where they found stolen medical equipment and drugs during the operations to restore stability to the city. The source added that the terrorists transformed the school into a den for them after destroying large parts of it, as they also stored stolen medicines to treat the injured of the mercenary terrorists who fall under the blows of the Syrian Arab Army members. The army units also found several tunnels which were used for moving and transferring weapons and ammunition in Daraya.
  • JHWH1OsannaUniusRei 
    JHWH1OsannaUniusRei ha pubblicato un commento 
    3 ore fa
    genocide of minorities [ is only Saudi Arabia imperialism, in Syria ] An official source told SANA reporter that the tunnels discovered expand between Saad Bin Moaz Mosque, and al-Rudwan Hospital and al-Ebaa School. Terrorists Killed, Their Vehicles Destroyed in Hama Countryside. Armed Forces on Sunday clashed with an armed terrorist group that tried to attack citizens and law enforcement members near al-Zallaqiyat village in Muharda countryside, killing many terrorists and injuring others.
  • JHWH1OsannaUniusRei 
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    3 ore fa
    genocide of minorities [ is only Saudi Arabia imperialism, in Syria ]A source in the province told SANA reporter that the terrorist Wael Khaled al-Halabiyeh, a leader of the so-called "Sawt al-Haq" terrorist group was injured, as four cars and several motorcycles that were used to transfer the terrorists and their weapons were destroyed. The bodies of the terrorists Mohammad Saleh al-Darwish, Mohammad Zayyat Nour al-Shamiyeh, Bara' al-Omari, Hussein Suleiman Hamada, Ahmad Ali al-Hamada and Ikrima Saleh al-Bakkour were identified among the dead.
  • JHWH1OsannaUniusRei 
    JHWH1OsannaUniusRei ha pubblicato un commento 
    3 ore fa
    Prime Minister Wael al-Halqi on Sunday stressed that the construction process is going forwards to build the renewable Syria along with confronting the enemies of the homeland who want to undermine its potentials and capabilities. Marking the Tree Day at al-Sabboura area in Damascus Countryside, Premier al-Halqi pointed out that the government's top priority is paying big attention to the agricultural sector and ensuring the requirements of the agricultural production through offering soft loans to the farmers, caring for the fruitful and forest trees . Al-Halqi said that "we planted the tree of cordiality, life, giving and national reconciliation", calling on all the Syrian citizens to plant the tree of cordiality and enhance the spirit of unity and national reconciliation.
  • JHWH1OsannaUniusRei 
    JHWH1OsannaUniusRei ha pubblicato un commento 
    3 ore fa
    A car bomb blew up on Saturday near the Grand Mosque in al-Qaboun neighborhood in Damascus. Initial information indicated that the explosion resulted in martyrs and injuries among people.





Rischia di perdere voto costituzione, i cristiani egiziani per cingere lunga lotta
I manifestanti al di fuori del Palazzo presidenziale egiziano il 7 dicembre
I manifestanti al di fuori del Palazzo presidenziale egiziano il 7 dicembre(Foto: Mohamed El Dahshan / Creative Commons)
La libertà religiosa dovrà essere vinta all'interno del sistema islamico di leggi
 I cristiani in Egitto Politically connessi dare credito ai Fratelli musulmani per una cosa: si possono vincere le elezioni.La Fratellanza ha ottenuto 13.000.000 egiziani ordinaria, molti dei quali poveri, rurale e analfabeta, alle urne in giugno a votare per il loro candidato alla presidenza, Mohamed Morsi. direttivo è stata una cosa diversa."Quello che ci sta aiutando oggi è che i Fratelli Musulmani e l'Islam politico non sono sempre intelligenti ", ha detto Ismail Hassan, segretario generale dell'Unione egiziana di organizzazioni dei diritti umani. E 'stato messa in rete tra i cristiani, i musulmani moderati e laici per assemblare un contrappeso politico ai sostenitori più numerosi della Fratellanza e dei fondamentalisti salafiti. "I media stanno iniziando ad essere contro di loro, perché non si vede nulla aiutarli," Ismail ha detto, il superamento di un afoso pomeriggio d'autunno a un tavolino di un bar del Cairo. "La nostra scommessa è sulla stupidità dei Fratelli Musulmani." Dopo la rivoluzione che ha rovesciato 2011 gennaio l'ex presidente Hosni Mubarak, la crescita economica è rallentata e il tasso di disoccupazione in Egitto è in corso al 12 per cento. I prezzi sono in crescita del 20 per cento, e probabilmente sarebbe stato più alto se non per il raid della banca centrale sulle sue riserve di liquidità estera di sostenere il valore della lira egiziana. Lavoratori tessili e medici hanno organizzato scioperi per salari più alti. Il turismo è moribondo. Il giorno dopo fu posto sul trono, nuova copto Papa Tawadros II ha detto che lui e in Egitto 10 milioni di cristiani di respingere la proposta di Costituzione, elaborato da un comitato dominato dagli islamisti, se mantenuto lingua, che istituisce uno stato religioso. "I Fratelli Musulmani, che don ' so politica. Ogni giorno ci forniscono la prova ", ha detto il Dott. Ehab El Kharrat, uno psichiatra, membro della Camera alta del Parlamento egiziano, e un membro cristiano del paese costituzionale redazione comitato fino a quando non uscì in segno di protesta. "Non sono il perdente più.Ora stanno facendo un errore dopo l'altro. " Questa è stata la vista qualche settimana fa, quando cresce esasperazione pubblico con l'impotenza del governo Morsi sembrava aprire un percorso plausibile per i cristiani per garantire un po 'di spazio per se stessi, i movimenti islamisti egiziani molto popolari politici .Ma era anche prima Morsi ha fatto il suo fine novembre guai per il potere con una serie di decreti - in quanto abrogata - che si è espansa la sua autorità e al riparo da lui supervisione giudiziaria. E 'stato prima che ha ordinato il comitato di redazione della Costituzione, già abbandonata dai cristiani frustrati e l'oggetto di proteste diffuse, per completare il lavoro in una sola notte, e programmato un voto popolare per 15 dicembre. Cairo strade piene di decine di migliaia di manifestanti, e con ancora più sostenitori Morsi, a volte in scontri violenti. Serbatoi in fila di fronte al palazzo presidenziale. Per le strade, la linea di demarcazione è diventata in gran parte religiosa: La Fratellanza e salafiti su un lato cantando a sostegno dell'Islam e regola di maggioranza, e gli avversari, dall'altro canto a sostegno di una costituzione senza preferenze religiose e che protegge le minoranze. articolo 2 della proposta di Costituzione stabilisce l'Islam come religione di stato. "Principi di Sharia islamica sono la fonte principale della legislazione", si legge. Articolo 219 enuncia tali principi come "prova generale, le regole fondamentali, le regole di giurisprudenza, e fonti credibili accettati dottrine sunniti e dalla comunità più ampia". All'articolo 44 sulla blasfemia fuorilegge. Ora che il voto nazionale è vicina, i cristiani comuni detto World Watch Monitorare attraverso un interprete che il loro futuro sarà probabilmente più a lungo, più duro macinare nell'ambito di un sistema di leggi inclinate nei confronti di chi non è musulmano. "Il risultato sarà la frode e la Fratellanza vincerà", ha detto Meshel Gerges, 30, un cattolico ingegnere elettrico. "Non succederà nulla per noi come cristiani dopo la ratifica della costituzione a breve termine.Ma penso che dopo due anni che permetterà di eliminare i loro nemici ", ha detto Gerges. "La chiesa si troveranno ad affrontare la persecuzione e non ci permetterà di costruire chiese." Meriam Hana Wadeaa, a 32 anni, dirigente industriale e un cristiano copto, ha detto "vedremo giorni cattivi" sotto la Costituzione."La vita sarà acuto ", ha detto. "Tutti sono spaventati e non sanno quello che fanno (eccetto) pregare Dio di salvarci da questo incubo in fretta." "La Costituzione non è appropriato per noi, come cristiani, perché i Fratelli Musulmani ei salafiti sono la maggioranza che ha scritto il Costituzione ", ha detto Sameha Ibrahem, di 45 anni, operaio di pulizia e cristiana copta. "I miei sentimenti verso di esso sono una paura molto intensa per i miei figli e il paese." La mutazione della rivoluzione egiziana nei confronti di un dittatore in un confessionale lotta problemi Mohamed El Dahshan, una con sede al Cairo economista e consigliere per la politica. "società pittura come un professionista -Islam vs anti-Islam scelta binaria non è una disputa politica - è un civile, "El Dahshan blogged Lunedi per la rivista Foreign Policy. "Perché non c'è una regione, una strada, una famiglia in cui le persone non sono d'accordo di politica, se questa conversazione tavolo della cucina si trasforma in uno di fede, poi ci siamo persi. E il danno arriverà fino alle più profonde fili della società che amiamo di confrontare - in gran parte grazie a una minoranza cristiana che getta in qualche diversità - di un complesso arazzo fitta ". Dare voce alla paura El Dahshan, il più cristiani che hanno parlato con World Watch Monitor detto parla di lasciare l'Egitto per il bene è comune nelle loro congregazioni ecclesiastiche. Tra i suoi coetanei Chiesa giovane, 25 anni, insegnante di Michel Rauof detto che ci sono preoccupazioni l'approvazione della costituzione farà una brutta situazione economica peggio, e che i disoccupati saranno semplicemente dimenticati. "Molti pensano di emigrazione, ma non c'è modo di emigrare", ha detto attraverso un interprete. Anche se è probabile che uscire sul lato corto del referendum costituzionale di Sabato, Egitto 10 milioni di cristiani non saranno lasciati completamente a mani vuote. "Se questa costituzione è stato permesso, ci sono canali naturali e legittimi per rendere l'eccezione di persone e organizzazioni," il Dott. reverendo Safwat Al-Bayaadi, capo della Comunione Anglicana in Egitto, ha detto World Watch Monitor attraverso un interprete. "E lo faremo, ma la chiesa non chiama per la disobbedienza. Cercheremo modi e canali legittimi di opposizione e richiesta di riesame. Respingiamo, tuttavia, la disobbedienza. " Un professore di storia cristiana al Cairo, parlando in forma anonima a proteggere la sua posizione, ha detto che i credenti non hanno molta scelta, ma per affrontare le ingiustizie direttamente, e ad alta voce. "Il modo più antico e meglio è continuare la nostra resistenza e di esporla alla tutto il mondo, "ha detto. "Vai pubblicamente alla società internazionale, resistendo al suo interno." "Ci stiamo preparando per una lunga, lunga lotta e la battaglia con l'Islam", ha detto il professore. "Quello che sta accadendo con gli islamisti per le strade è una parte di questo. Vinciamo alcune di queste piccole battaglie. Abbiamo alcuni dei diritti che hanno combattuto per. " Anche se i cristiani sono a corto di tempo per raccogliere i voti necessari per respingere la proposta di costituzione Sabato, il professore ha detto che continuerà a vincere convertiti alla causa della libertà religiosa per l'Egitto. "Il numero di persone che rifiutano l'Islam politico è in aumento ogni giorno ", ha detto," e questo ci sta incoraggiando che forse saremo vittoriosi in futuro. "




المتظاهرين خارج قصر الرئاسة المصرية يوم 7 ديسمبر
المتظاهرين خارج قصر الرئاسة المصرية يوم 7 ديسمبر(تصوير: محمد دهشان / جميل)
والحرية الدينية يجب أن فاز في النظام الإسلامي من قوانين
 المسيحيين مرتبطة سياسيا في مصر يمنح القروض لجماعة الإخوان مسلم لشيء واحد: أنهم قادرون على الفوز بالانتخابات. حصلت على 13 مليون مصري الإخوان العاديين، وكثير منهم فقراء والريفيين والأميين، إلى صناديق الاقتراع في يونيو حزيران للتصويت لمرشحهم الرئاسي، ومحمد مرسي. الإدارة كانت مسألة مختلفة. "ما يساعدنا اليوم هو أن جماعة الإخوان مسلم والإسلام السياسي ليست دائما ذكية "، وقال حسن إسماعيل، الأمين العام للاتحاد المصري لمنظمات حقوق الإنسان. لقد كان التواصل بين المسيحيين والمسلمين المعتدلين والعلمانيين في التجمع ثقلا موازنا السياسية لمؤيدي أكثر عددا من الإخوان والسلفيين الأصولية. "الناس بدأوا المتوسط ​​تكون ضدهم لأنهم لا يرون أي شيء يساعدهم،" اسماعيل وقال، ويمر بعد ظهر الخريف قائظ على طاولة مقهى القاهرة. "الرهان تركيزنا على غباء الإخوان مسلم." منذ الثورة التي أطاحت يناير 2011 الرئيس السابق حسني مبارك، والنمو الاقتصادي قد تباطأ معدل والبطالة في مصر قد تم على التوالي في 12 في المئة. الأسعار بنسبة تصل إلى 20 في المئة، والمرجح أن تكون أعلى لولا الغارة البنك المركزي على احتياطياته النقدية الأجنبية لدعم قيمة الجنيه المصري. عمال النسيج والأطباء على حد سواء قد نظموا اضرابات لزيادة الأجور. السياحة هي تحتضر. وقال جديدة القبطية البابا جيلان الثاني بعد يوم من اعتلائه العرش، وقال انه والمسيحيين في مصر في 10 مليون دولار سوف رفض الدستور المقترح، الذي صاغته لجنة يهيمن عليها الاسلاميون، إذا احتفظ اللغة اقامة دولة دينية. "الإخوان مسلم، أنهم لا ' أعرف السياسة. كل يوم أنها توفر لنا دليل "، قال الدكتور إيهاب الخراط، وهو طبيب نفسي، عضو مجلس الشيوخ مصر من البرلمان، وعضو لجنة مسيحية صياغة الدستور في البلاد حتى خروجه في الاحتجاج.واضاف "انهم ليسوا المستضعف أي أكثر من ذلك. الآن هم صنع خطأ واحد تلو الآخر. " هذا كان الرأي قبل عدة أسابيع، عندما تزايد السخط العام مع عجز الحكومة مرسي يبدو لفتح مسار معقول للمسيحيين لتأمين بعض المساحة لأنفسهم جنبا إلى جنب مع حركات مصر الشعبية على نطاق واسع السياسية الإسلامية . ولكنه كان أيضا قبل مرسي قدم الراحل نوفمبر تشرين الثاني حرج على السلطة مع سلسلة من المراسيم - منذ ألغت - التي توسعت سلطته ومحمية له من الرقابة المحكمة. كان قبل أن أمرت لجنة صياغة الدستور، مهجورة بالفعل من قبل المسيحيين المحبطين وجوه احتجاجات واسعة النطاق، لإنهاء المهمة في ليلة واحدة، والمقرر تصويت الشعبي ل15 ديسمبر. شوارع القاهرة مليئة بعشرات الآلاف من المتظاهرين، ومع أنصار مرسي أكثر من ذلك، في مواجهات عنيفة في بعض الأحيان. اصطف الدبابات حتى أمام القصر الرئاسي. في الشوارع، وأصبح الخط الفاصل دينيا إلى حد كبير: الإخوان والسلفيين على جانب واحد يرددون في نصرة الإسلام وحكم الأغلبية، والمعارضين من جهة أخرى وهم يهتفون دعما للدستور دون تفضيلات الدينية والتي تحمي الأقليات.المادة 2 من الدستور المقترح على أن الإسلام هو دين الدولة. "مبادئ الشريعة الإسلامية هي المصدر الرئيسي للتشريع"، فإنه ينص. المادة 219 من نوبات تلك المبادئ ك "أدلة عامة، وقواعد الأساسية، وقواعد الفقه، ومصادر موثوقة في المذاهب السنية المقبولة والمجتمع الأكبر." التجديف المادة الخارجين عن القانون 44. قال المسيحيين العاديين الآن أن الأصوات على المستوى الوطني قريب، المراقبة العالمية لل رصد من خلال مترجم أن طريقهم إلى الأمام المحتمل سيكون أطول وأكثر صعوبة في ظل نظام طحن القوانين يميل ضد كل من هو غير مسلم. "والنتيجة ستكون الاحتيال والإخوان سيفوز"، وقال Meshel جرجس (30 عاما) وهو كاثوليكي مهندس كهربائي. "لن يحدث شيء بالنسبة لنا كمسيحيين بعد المصادقة على الدستور في الأجل القصير. ولكن أعتقد أنه بعد عامين أنها سوف تخلص من أعدائهم "، وقال جرجس. "الكنيسة سوف تواجه الاضطهاد وأنهم لن يسمحوا لنا ببناء الكنائس". وقال مريم حنا Wadeaa، مدير (32 عاما) الصناعية القديمة والمسيحية القبطية "سنرى أيام سيئة" وفقا للدستور. "الحياة ستكون ضارية، "قالت. "الجميع خائفون ولا يعرفون ما يفعلونه (باستثناء) ندعو الله أن يخلصنا من هذا الكابوس بسرعة." "الدستور ليس من المناسب بالنسبة لنا كمسيحيين لأن الإخوان والسلفيين مسلم يشكلون غالبية الذين كتبوا الدستور "، وقال إبراهيم سميحة، وهو عامل تنظيف 45 عاما والمسيحية القبطية. "مشاعري نحوها هي الخوف الشديد جدا لأطفالي والبلاد." وتحور الثورة في مصر ضد الدكتاتور إلى الطائفية النضال المشاكل الدهشان ش محمد، وهو اقتصادي ومقرها القاهرة ومستشار السياسة."المجتمع الطلاء ومؤيد الإسلام مقابل خيار ثنائي المعادية للإسلام ليس خلاف سياسي - انها واحدة المدني، "المدون ش الدهشان الاثنين لمجلة السياسة الخارجية. "لأن ليس هناك منطقة أو الشارع، والأسرة، حيث الناس لا يختلفون عن السياسة، وإذا تحول هذا الحوار إلى طاولة المطبخ احد عن الإيمان، ثم كنت خسرنا. وسوف الضرر يصل طول الطريق إلى أعمق المواضيع من المجتمع الذي نحن نحب لمقارنة - شكرا معظمها إلى الأقلية المسيحية التي تقذف في بعض التنوع - إلى مجمع، نسيج المنسوجة بإحكام ". إسماع صوت الخوف ش الدهشان، والعديد من وقال المسيحيين الذين تحدثوا مع المراقبة العالمية للمراقب الحديث عن مغادرة مصر نهائيا هو شائع في التجمعات كنيستهم. بين أقرانه الصغار الكنيسة، 25 عاما المعلم ميشال Rauof ان هناك مخاوف من الموافقة على الدستور سيجعل الحالة الاقتصادية السيئة والأسوأ من ذلك، أن مجرد والعاطلين عن العمل يمكن نسيانه. "يعتقد كثير من الهجرة، ولكن لا توجد وسيلة للهجرة"، وقال من خلال مترجم. على الرغم من أنها من المرجح أن يخرج في نهاية قصيرة من الاستفتاء على الدستور، لن مصر في 10 مليون مسيحي أن يترك تماما خالي الوفاض. واضاف "اذا سمح هذا الدستور، وهناك قنوات الطبيعية والمشروعة لجعل اعتراض من الناس والمنظمات،" وقال الدكتور القس صفوت البياضي، رئيس الطائفة الإنجيلية في مصر، المراقبة العالمية للمراقب من خلال مترجم. "وسوف نفعل ذلك، ولكن الكنيسة لا تدعو إلى العصيان. سوف نبحث عن سبل وقنوات مشروعة للاعتراض وطلب إعادة النظر. ومع ذلك، فإننا نرفض العصيان. " أستاذ التاريخ المسيحي في القاهرة، طلب عدم نشر اسمه لحماية موقفه، وقال المؤمنين سيكون لها خيار سوى مواجهة الظلم مباشرة، وبصوت عال. "الطريقة أقدم وأفضل تواصل مقاومتنا وتعريضها لل العالم كله "، قال. "الذهاب إلى علنا المجتمع الدولي، في حين مقاومة في الداخل." "نحن نعد أنفسنا لكفاح طويلة جدا والمعركة مع الإسلام"، وقال الأستاذ. "ما يحدث مع الإسلاميين في الشوارع هو جزء واحد من ذلك. نحن كسب بعض المعارك الصغيرة. "لدينا بعض الحقوق قاتلنا ل. قال الأستاذ حتى لو المسيحيين قد نفد من الوقت لجمع الاصوات اللازمة لرفض الدستور المقترح السبت، أنها لا تزال لكسب المتحولين إلى قضية الحرية الدينية في مصر. "و عدد الأشخاص الذين يرفضون الإسلام السياسي يتزايد كل يوم "، قال:" وهذا أمر مشجع لنا أنه ربما سنكون منتصرين في المستقبل. "


Likely to lose constitution vote, Egyptian Christians gird for long struggle
Protesters outside the Egyptian presidential palace on Dec. 7
Protesters outside the Egyptian presidential palace on Dec. 7(Photo: Mohamed El Dahshan / Creative Commons)
Religious freedom will have to be won within Islamic system of laws
Cairo, December 14 (World Watch Monitor) — Politically connected Christians in Egypt give credit to the Muslim Brotherhood for one thing: they can win elections. The Brotherhood got 13 million ordinary Egyptians, many of them poor, rural and illiterate, to the polls in June to vote for their presidential candidate, Mohamed Morsi.

Governing has been a different matter.

“What is helping us today is that the Muslim Brotherhood and political Islam are not always clever,” said Hassan Ismail, secretary general of the Egyptian Union of Human Rights Organizations. He has been networking among Christians, moderate Muslims and secularists to assemble a political counterweight to the more numerous supporters of the Brotherhood and the fundamentalist Salafis.

“Average people are starting to be against them because they don’t see anything helping them,” Ismail said, passing a sultry autumn afternoon at a Cairo café table. “Our bet is on the stupidity of the Muslim Brotherhood.”

Since the January 2011 revolution that toppled former President Hosni Mubarak, economic growth has slowed and Egypt’s unemployment rate has been running at 12 percent. Prices are up by 20 percent, and likely would be higher if not for the central bank’s raid on its foreign cash reserves to prop up the value of the Egyptian pound. Textile workers and doctors alike have staged walkouts for higher wages. Tourism is moribund. The day after he was enthroned, new Coptic Pope Tawadros II said he and Egypt’s 10 million Christians would reject the proposed constitution, drafted by a committee dominated by Islamists, if it retained language establishing a religious state.

“The Muslim Brotherhood, they don’t know politics. Every day they provide us with proof,” said Dr. Ehab El Kharrat , a psychiatrist, member of Egypt’s upper house of Parliament, and a Christian member of the country’s constitution-drafting committee until he walked out in protest. “They are not the underdog any more. Now they are making one mistake after another.”

This was the view several weeks ago, when growing public exasperation with the impotence of the Morsi government appeared to open a plausible path for Christians to secure some space for themselves alongside Egypt’s widely popular Islamist political movements.

But it also was before Morsi made his late-November lurch for power with a series of decrees – since rescinded -- that expanded his authority and shielded him from court oversight. It was before he ordered the committee drafting the constitution, already deserted by frustrated Christians and the object of widespread protests, to finish the job in a single night, and scheduled a popular vote for Dec. 15.

Cairo streets filled with tens of thousands of protesters, and with even more Morsi supporters, in sometimes violent confrontations. Tanks lined up in front of the presidential palace. In the streets, the dividing line has become a largely religious one: The Brotherhood and Salafis on one side chanting in support of Islam and majority rule; and opponents on the other chanting in support of a constitution without religious preferences and that protects minorities.

Article 2 of the proposed constitution establishes Islam as the state religion. “Principles of Islamic Sharia are the principal source of legislation,” it states. Article 219 spells out those principles as “general evidence, foundational rules, rules of jurisprudence, and credible sources accepted in Sunni doctrines and by the larger community.” Article 44 outlaws blasphemy.

Now that the national vote is nigh, ordinary Christians told World Watch Monitor through an interpreter that their way forward likely will be a longer, harder grind under a system of laws tilted against anyone who is not Muslim.

“The result will be fraud and the Brotherhood will win,” said Meshel Gerges, 30, a Catholic electrical engineer.

“Nothing will happen for us as Christians after the ratification of the constitution in the short term. But I think after two years they will get rid of their enemies,” Gerges said. “The church will face persecution and they will not allow us to build churches.”

Meriam Hana Wadeaa, a 32-year-old industrial manager and a Coptic Christian, said “we will see bad days” under the constitution.

“Life will be pitched,” she said. “Everyone is scared and don’t know what they do (except) pray to God to save us from this nightmare quickly.”

“The constitution is not appropriate for us as Christians because the Muslim Brotherhood and the Salafis are the majority who wrote the constitution,” said Sameha Ibrahem, a 45-year-old cleaning worker and Coptic Christian. “My feelings toward it are a very intense fear for my children and the country.”

The mutation of Egypt’s revolution against a dictator into a sectarian struggle troubles Mohamed El Dahshan, a Cairo-based economist and policy adviser.

“Painting society as a pro-Islam vs. anti-Islam binary choice isn't a political dispute -- it's a civil one,” El Dahshan blogged Monday for Foreign Policy Magazine. “Because there isn't a region, a street, a family where people don't disagree about politics; if this kitchen table conversation is transformed into one about faith, then we're lost. And the damage will reach all the way to the deepest threads of the society that we love to compare – mostly thanks to a Christian minority that throws in some diversity – to a complex, tightly woven tapestry.”

Giving voice to El Dahshan’s fear, several Christians who spoke with World Watch Monitor said talk of leaving Egypt for good is common in their church congregations.

Among his young church peers, 25-year-old teacher Michel Rauof said there are worries the approval of the constitution will make a bad economic situation worse, and that the unemployed will simply be forgotten. “Many think of emigration, but there is no way to emigrate,” he said through an interpreter.

Though they are likely to come out on the short end of Saturday’s constitutional referendum, Egypt’s 10 million Christians will not be left completely empty-handed.

“If this constitution were allowed, there are natural and legitimate channels to make the objection of people and organizations,” Dr. Reverend Safwat Al-Bayaadi, head of the Anglican Communion in Egypt, told World Watch Monitor through an interpreter. “And we will do so, but the church does not call for disobedience. We'll look for ways and legitimate channels for objection and request for reconsideration. However, we reject disobedience.”

A Christian history professor in Cairo, speaking anonymously to protect his position, said believers will have little option but to confront injustices directly, and loudly.

“The oldest and best way is continuing our resistance and exposing it to the whole world,” he said. “Go publicly to the international society, while resisting on the inside.”

“We are preparing ourselves for a long, long struggle and battle with Islam,” the professor said. “What is happening with Islamists in the streets is one part of that. We win some of these small battles. We have some of the rights we fought for.”

Even if Christians have run out of time to gather the votes needed to reject the proposed constitution Saturday, the professor said they continue to win converts to the cause of religious freedom for Egypt.

“The number of people refusing political Islam is increasing every day,” he said, “and this is encouraging us that maybe we will be victorious in the future.”